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The problem with your article on Dawkins is that he is slightly different from Harris and Hitchens. With Harris and Hitchens you can clearly see that their attack on religion is also a cover for an attack on "radical" [sic; reactionary] Islam. Dawkins always focuses on Christianity, so it makes it a tad more difficult to recognise it as Corporate 'infotainment'.

Could I just toss out Terry Eagleton's review from the toolbox of rebuttals? His assertion that Dawkins is out of his depth because he is not familiar with Aquinas et al is ludicrous and elitist. It's like saying that I can't argue against Capitalism because I don't have a Phd in Economics (I'm borrowing from your Indymedia talk here) even though I attacking the fundamentals like the view that man is a purely self-interested animal...

I digress here but the best book (unintentionally, I think) that does the interrogation of the religious liberal is Under the Banner of Heaven by Jon Krakauer, an investigation of the Mormon Church. He tells the truth but treats them with respect and if Dawkins or Harris wrote like this they would be a lot more palatable.

A big problem with Dawkins et al is that they assume too much about what the rank and file think. Yes there is a hardcore minority but the truth is that most never pay attention. I've spoken with a few people who do organizing work and they often insist that they lay persons have no idea what the leaders have been getting up to. Most just don't pay attention, which is no different from the seculars who pay little attention to what their government is doing in their name. This bias against the congregation goes way back; Montaillou : The Promised Land of Error by Emmanuel Le Roy Ladurie gives a more realistic view of peasants in the Middle Ages.

The flip side is that Dawkins doesn't realise how cynical the church leaders are. Sure we have the long list of sex and corruption scandals. But I don't see these religion bashers paying attention to David Kuo's Tempting Faith: An Inside Story of Political Seduction. Bush attacks abortion etc because it increases the government power. Bush doesn't help the poor because it would reduce the power of the wealthy. The manipulation is obvious.

It's probably much more fun to debate Dawkins on science. First, in The Logic of Real Arguments 2nd edition, Alec Fisher shows that for all Dawkins' claims to be defending reason his rhetoric is largely illogical. It's quite amusing to see Dawkins ripped apart.

Then there is Dawkin's baby, the 'Scientific Method' itself. Anyone familiar with the philosophy of science will know that the 'Scientific Method' isn't all it's cracked up to be. But they don't teach philosophy of science until Grad school. Critics like Dawkins prefer to ignore (what I pick for lack of a definitive term) 'post-methodists' and focus on post-modernists instead. Here's is a good review of one such attempt. The most radical, and my favorite, of the philosophers of science is Feyerabend. I'm guessing it would give Dawkins et al a heart attack to read "there must be a formal separation between state and science just as there is now a formal separation between state and church." Feyerabend retreated from the extreme relativism position (it is quite enlightening to read why, and what he decided instead, in his autobiography) and he makes a great point that there is much science can learn from the other traditions.

By the way, A People's History of Science by Clifford Conner is a good book.

These are just diverse strands that I weaved together over the last year or so. I can't tell if you are familiar with them because amazon doesn't have the "search inside" option for your book, and I can't find the index and/or bibliography anywhere. Not that you need to though, to respond to the critics of your article on Dawkins. From what I've seen in the reviews, and in your other articles, your insights into the 'folk enlightenment' and 'occult enlightenment' is spot on and it's great to have a response to Darwins et al in one solid volume.

Hope you get out of the swamp at work and deliver that response real soon. Looking forward to reading your book.

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